Unidentified - Moth at Ainslie, ACT
Identification history
| Smyriodes undescribed species nr aplectaria | 7 Jan 2022 | donhe | ||
| Lepidoptera unclassified ADULT moth | 22 Dec 2020 | GlennCocking | ||
| Uraba lugens | 21 May 2020 | jb2602 |
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15 comments
ibaird
wrote:
21 May 2020
Not sure this is U. lugens. There is a distinct scallop patterned margin to the forewings and a short mid line at each forewing tip which I can't see in our other U. lugens specimens.
donhe
wrote:
21 May 2020
The shape and posture look good to me for Nolinae, but I think the shapes of the zigzag transverse lines, and the absence of the smoothly curved dark central band, look wrong for Uraba lugens.
GlennCocking
wrote:
27 May 2020
Could it be an extremely plain Dysbatus specimen? I have seen some without the usual transverse wiggly lines, and the line towards the fw tip the Ian points to would satisfy Dysbatus. John, were the originals as grey as these photos rather than a little brown? Do you have an upperside photo of the male?
jb2602
wrote:
27 May 2020
These photos are the dorsal and ventral side of the same moth. It has feather antennae and so I assume it's a male. My understanding is that a female U. lugens is quite a bit longer than the male (No female was sighted on the night). I really don't know what it is but thought that a male U. lugens was a possibility.
jb2602
wrote:
27 May 2020
The photos were taken close up with a 100mm macro lens with a ring flash, slightly off centre to avoid reflection and so should be fairly accurate.
ibaird
wrote:
27 May 2020
I say not N. desmotes because of the scallop patterned margin to the forewings and a short mid line at each forewing tip which no images of that species on the ALA show.
jb2602
wrote:
27 May 2020
Also N. desmotes does not have feather antennae. Is that the case for all Nola?
GlennCocking
wrote:
18 Oct 2020
Nola males generally have finely bipectinate or hairy antennae. This branches on this one are much stronger. I think they also look unipectinate, which matches Dysbatus. But that would still be a speculative identification.
donhe
wrote:
18 Oct 2020
I think that the double arch in the basal line is inconsistent with Dysbatus, and the line at the forewing tip is inconsistent with most Nola. Groan.
ElluraSanctuary
wrote:
7 Jan 2022
This has bipectinate antennae, you can just make it out on the ventral shot if you zoom in.
Is it not a faded Smyriodes trigramma? Looks close to ours. We *think* we've had a number of them and progressive variations from the strong to "faded" has the longitudinal lines at the back of our faded one; S4 in particular. :
www.ellura.info/Lepidoptera.html#Smyriodes-trigramma
www.ellura.info/Insect/Moth/DSC06582E-Stippled-Line-moth-Smyriodes-trigramma--S4.html
We are in SA, so hope it's ok to share our obs like this
Is it not a faded Smyriodes trigramma? Looks close to ours. We *think* we've had a number of them and progressive variations from the strong to "faded" has the longitudinal lines at the back of our faded one; S4 in particular. :
www.ellura.info/Lepidoptera.html#Smyriodes-trigramma
www.ellura.info/Insect/Moth/DSC06582E-Stippled-Line-moth-Smyriodes-trigramma--S4.html
We are in SA, so hope it's ok to share our obs like this
ibaird
wrote:
7 Jan 2022
Hi, Ellura Sanctuary. You are welcome to share you views etc, re identification. We have grouped together probably three Smyriodes species to gether in one category : ie. ''Smyriodes undescribed species nr aplectaria' ( - the undescribed species being the most common here). However, the short mid-line on the forewing tip either side concerns me an seems inconsistent with Smyriodes (genus).
jb2602
wrote:
7 Jan 2022
Thank you all very much for the input, I have added a detail of an antenna if that helps.
ElluraSanctuary
wrote:
7 Jan 2022
Much easier to see the bi-pectinations now John, nice job.
No prob's Ian. I agree the line on the wing tip is an issue, but thought it worth raising the thought.
I'll have to reconsider mine now ;-)
Cheers
Brett
No prob's Ian. I agree the line on the wing tip is an issue, but thought it worth raising the thought.
I'll have to reconsider mine now ;-)
Cheers
Brett
Location information
- Coordinates 149.151994-35.259205
- Places Ainslie, ACT
Sighting information
- 1 Abundance
- 20 May 2020 08:46 PM Recorded on
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- 12mm to 25mm Animal size
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- Lepidoptera unclassified ADULT moth Scientific name
- Unidentified - Moth Common name
- Not Sensitive
- Local native
- Non-invasive or negligible
- Up to 1643.3m Recorded at altitude
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