Tall Lobelia at Hackett, ACT
Identification history
| Lobelia gibbosa | 30 Oct 2017 | BettyDonWood | ||
| Unidentified | 30 Oct 2017 | waltraud |
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A lobelia but which one?
I took the photo with a grey paper as background and one entire plant without grey - the flower colour was deep blue not pinkish as some photos suggest.
4 comments
BettyDonWood
wrote:
31 Oct 2017
According to Plantnet, gibbosa leaves have smooth margins, and rarely a few narrow teeth ( as in your photo). Dentata has broadly lobed leaves. The professionals rely on microscopic examination of the seeds for IDing the tall annual Lobelias, which is useless in the field.
waltraud
wrote:
31 Oct 2017
What about L. browniana? i'm confused because the lobelia key of plantnet does not list this species however it is an accepted taxon see https://vicflora.rbg.vic.gov.au/flora/taxon/714c569c-1479-443c-8bf2-04932dfc1093 and listed in the ACT Census. There is one record on Black Mountain by R. Purdie; see http://canberra.naturemapr.org/Community/Sightings/Details/3368263.
BettyDonWood
wrote:
1 Nov 2017
I had not heard about browniana. It is in Vicflora, but there is no key to differentiate it from gibbosa. The description states that the leaves are withered when the flowers open, which does not fit your photo. It used to be a subspecies of gibbosa, so is very like it. https://vicflora.rbg.vic.gov.au/flora/taxon/714c569c-1479-443c-8bf2-04932dfc1093
waltraud
wrote:
1 Nov 2017
Betty
It seems to me that L browniana is a split from L gibbosa; see for instance http://saseedbank.com.au/species_information.php?rid=4985
The species occurs in eastern Australia; see this distribution map:
http://avh.ala.org.au/occurrences/search?taxa=Lobelia%20browniana#tab_mapView
and records for ACT:
http://avh.ala.org.au/occurrences/search?q=lsid:http://id.biodiversity.org.au/node/apni/2904488&fq=cl927:%22Australian%20Captial%20Territory%22
Splits and mergers of taxa and resulting name changes are very confusing for me :-(
It seems to me that L browniana is a split from L gibbosa; see for instance http://saseedbank.com.au/species_information.php?rid=4985
The species occurs in eastern Australia; see this distribution map:
http://avh.ala.org.au/occurrences/search?taxa=Lobelia%20browniana#tab_mapView
and records for ACT:
http://avh.ala.org.au/occurrences/search?q=lsid:http://id.biodiversity.org.au/node/apni/2904488&fq=cl927:%22Australian%20Captial%20Territory%22
Splits and mergers of taxa and resulting name changes are very confusing for me :-(
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Location information
- Coordinates 149.172500-35.246620
- Altitude 734.0m
- Maps Mount Majura
- Places Hackett, ACT
Sighting information
- 4 - 15 Abundance
- 26 Nov 2010 11:18 AM Recorded on
- waltraud Recorded by
Additional information
- True In flower
- 10cm to 30cm Plant height
Species information
- Lobelia gibbosa Scientific name
- Tall Lobelia Common name
- Not Sensitive
- Local native
- Non-Invasive
- Up to 1070m Recorded at altitude
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